Anyone see anything obvious? I just can't get the Android emulator to launch Done everything I thought was right and in the console now it will not load in the emulator just loops with this in the console: 12-14 17:37:14.460: D/AndroidRuntime(961): >>>>>> AndroidRuntime START com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit <<<<<< 12-14 17:37:14.480: I/mediaserver(962): ServiceManager: 0xb85b0420 12-14 17:37:14.480: I/AudioFlinger(962): Using default 3000 mSec as standby time. 12-14 17:37:14.490: I/CameraService(962): CameraService started (pid=962) 12-14 17:37:14.510: D/AndroidRuntime(961): CheckJNI is ON 12-14 17:37:14.530: D/EmulatedCamera_QemuClient(962): Emulated camera list: 12-14 17:37:14.570: I/CameraService(962): Loaded "Emulated Camera Module" camera module 12-14 17:37:14.610: I/AudioPolicyManagerBase(962): loadAudioPolicyConfig() loaded /system/etc/audio_policy.conf 12-14 17:37:14.620: I/AudioFlinger(962): loadHwModule() Loaded primary audio interface from Generic audio HW HAL (audio) handle 1 12-14 17:37:14.620: I/AudioFlinger(962): HAL output buffer size 1024 frames, normal mix buffer size 1024 frames 12-14 17:37:14.680: I/AudioMixer(962): found effect "Multichannel Downmix To Stereo" from The Android Open Source Project 12-14 17:37:14.680: I/AudioFlinger(962): Using module 1 has the primary audio interface 12-14 17:37:14.690: I/AudioFlinger(962): AudioFlinger's thread 0xb6028008 ready to run 12-14 17:37:14.700: W/AudioFlinger(962): Thread AudioOut_2 cannot connect to the power manager service 12-14 17:37:14.730: W/AudioFlinger(962): Thread AudioOut_2 cannot connect to the power manager service 12-14 17:37:14.770: E/AudioFlinger(962): int android::load_audio_interface(const char*, audio_hw_device_t**) couldn't load audio hw module audio.r_submix (No such file or directory) 12-14 17:37:14.770: I/AudioFlinger(962): loadHwModule() error -2 loading module r_submix 12-14 17:37:14.770: W/AudioPolicyManagerBase(962): could not open HW module r_submix 12-14 17:37:14.770: I/AudioPolicyService(962): Loaded audio policy from LEGACY Audio Policy HAL (audio_policy) 12-14 17:37:14.780: D/dalvikvm(961): DexOpt: sleeping on flock(/data/dalvik-cache/system@[email protected]@classes.dex) 12-14 17:37:15.770: I/SurfaceFlinger(990): SurfaceFlinger is starting 12-14 17:37:15.770: I/SurfaceFlinger(990): SurfaceFlinger's main thread ready to run. Initializing graphics H/W... 12-14 17:37:15.770: D/libEGL(990): Emulator without GPU support detected. Fallback to software renderer. 12-14 17:37:15.820: D/libEGL(990): loaded /system/lib/egl/libGLES_android.so 12-14 17:37:15.920: D/gralloc_goldfish(990): Emulator without GPU emulation detected. 12-14 17:37:15.920: E/SurfaceFlinger(990): hwcomposer module not found 12-14 17:37:15.930: E/SurfaceFlinger(990): ERROR: failed to open framebuffer (No such file or directory), aborting 12-14 17:37:15.930: A/libc(990): Fatal signal 6 (SIGABRT) at 0x000003de (code=-6), thread 990 (surfaceflinger) 12-14 17:37:16.050: I/DEBUG(49): *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** 12-14 17:37:16.050: I/DEBUG(49): Build fingerprint: 'generic/google_sdk/generic:4.4/KRT16L/892118:eng/test-keys' 12-14 17:37:16.050: I/DEBUG(49): Revision: '0' 12-14 17:37:16.050: I/DEBUG(49): pid: 990, tid: 990, name: surfaceflinger >>> /system/bin/surfaceflinger <<< 12-14 17:37:16.050: I/DEBUG(49): signal 6 (SIGABRT), code -6 (SI_TKILL), fault addr -------- 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): r0 00000000 r1 000003de r2 00000006 r3 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): r4 00000006 r5 00000002 r6 000003de r7 0000010c 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): r8 b6f7684d r9 b88a752c sl 00000000 fp be9a6b9c 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): ip fffffffe sp be9a69e8 lr b6edaead pc b6ee9e20 cpsr 00000010 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d0 05e03deb22b08b01 d1 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d2 0000000000000000 d3 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d4 0000000000000000 d5 41c1584580800000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d6 3f50624dd2f1a9fc d7 419780f7ad0f5c29 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d8 0000000000000000 d9 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d10 0000000000000000 d11 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d12 0000000000000000 d13 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.240: I/DEBUG(49): d14 0000000000000000 d15 0000000000000000 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): scr 00000010 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): backtrace: 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #00 pc 00021e20 /system/lib/libc.so (tgkill+12) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #01 pc 00012ea9 /system/lib/libc.so (pthread_kill+48) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #02 pc 000130bd /system/lib/libc.so (raise+10) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #03 pc 00011df3 /system/lib/libc.so 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #04 pc 000216d4 /system/lib/libc.so (abort+4) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #05 pc 0001e83b /system/lib/libsurfaceflinger.so 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #06 pc 0001adb7 /system/lib/libsurfaceflinger.so (android::SurfaceFlinger::init()+86) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #07 pc 000008a7 /system/bin/surfaceflinger 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #08 pc 0000e23b /system/lib/libc.so (__libc_init+50) 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): #09 pc 000007dc /system/bin/surfaceflinger 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): stack: 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69a8 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69ac 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69b0 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69b4 b88a96c0 [heap] 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69b8 b6874004 /system/lib/hw/gralloc.default.so 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69bc 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69c0 b68ba004 /system/lib/hw/gralloc.goldfish.so 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69c4 b68740c4 /system/lib/hw/gralloc.default.so 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69c8 b88a96c0 [heap] 12-14 17:37:16.250: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69cc b6874004 /system/lib/hw/gralloc.default.so 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69d0 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69d4 b687240b /system/lib/hw/gralloc.default.so (fb_device_open(hw_module_t const*, char const*, hw_device_t**)+98) 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69d8 b6871c31 /system/lib/hw/gralloc.default.so 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69dc b6f573cd /system/lib/libsurfaceflinger.so 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69e0 b6f573c5 /system/lib/libsurfaceflinger.so 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69e4 b88a958c [heap] 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): #00 be9a69e8 00000006 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69ec 00000002 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69f0 000003de 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69f4 fffffffe 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69f8 fffffffe 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a69fc b6edaead /system/lib/libc.so (pthread_kill+52) 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): #01 be9a6a00 00000006 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6a04 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6a08 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6a0c b6edb0c1 /system/lib/libc.so (raise+14) 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): #02 be9a6a10 be9a6a1c [stack] 12-14 17:37:16.300: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6a14 b6ed9df7 /system/lib/libc.so 12-14 17:37:16.340: I/DEBUG(49): memory near r8: 12-14 17:37:16.340: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7682c 000017e8 4604b510 b1336803 4621681a 12-14 17:37:16.340: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7683c 0c0cf852 f7ff1818 4620ef48 0000bd10 12-14 17:37:16.340: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7684c b087b530 f7ffa805 2104ef46 f7ff9805 12-14 17:37:16.340: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7685c a805ef48 ffe6f7ff f7ffa801 9801ef3c 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7686c ef44f7ff 4008f241 ef46f7ff f7ff4604 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7687c 9402ef4a 6823b134 f853a902 18200c0c 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7688c ef46f7ff f06f2000 46010207 ef46f7ff 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7689c 20002101 ef48f7ff f7ff9802 a803ef4c 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768ac ef4ef7ff a8049c03 698d6821 4479491d 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768bc ef4cf7ff b1039b02 93053304 681ab133 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768cc f852a905 18180c0c ef22f7ff 4620a904 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768dc 2300aa05 990547a8 680bb131 2c0cf853 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768ec a9051888 eef0f7ff f7ffa804 9802ef36 12-14 17:37:16.370: I/DEBUG(49): b6f768fc ef38f7ff b1319903 f8506808 18c83c0c 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7690c f7ffa903 9902eee2 680ab131 0c0cf852 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b6f7691c a9021808 eed8f7ff f7ffa801 2000ff83 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): memory near r9: 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a750c 00000000 fb13a57d 00000016 00000001 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a751c 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a752c 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a753c 00000000 b6f5c110 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a754c 00000000 00000004 b6f5b4f8 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a755c 00000000 00000000 00000040 ffffffff 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a756c 00000000 be9a6bac b88a8850 b6f1535c 12-14 17:37:16.410: I/DEBUG(49): b88a757c b6f7684d 00000000 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a758c b88a7450 b6f5c13c 0000001f b88a3030 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a759c 0000007d 00000000 b6f5b528 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75ac 00000000 00000000 0000000c 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75bc 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75cc 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75dc 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75ec 00000000 00000000 b88a7450 b88a9348 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): b88a75fc 00000000 00000000 00000000 b88a93d0 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): memory near fp: 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6b7c 00000000 00000000 b6f767e0 b6f77e6c 12-14 17:37:16.440: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6b8c b6f77e74 b6f77e7c be9a6ba0 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.450: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6b9c b6f65861 00000001 be9a6c85 00000000 12-14 17:37:16.460: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6bac be9a6ca0 be9a6cdd be9a6d05 be9a6d18 12-14 17:37:16.460: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6bbc be9a6d2d be9a6d48 be9a6d5b be9a6d74 12-14 17:37:16.460: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6bcc be9a6d8e be9a6da7 be9a6fa1 be9a6fc2 12-14 17:37:16.460: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6bdc 00000000 00000010 0000b0d7 00000006 12-14 17:37:16.460: I/DEBUG(49): be9a6bec 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The android avd is a pain sometimes, I get it working on 1 of my windows machine but it won't launch on another at all. I personally gave up on the avd and just test on a real device instead. Hopefully someone can help you further with this as I know its been a sticking point for you for a few days now.

I found Android 3.0 introduced a few challenges; I'm not clear if what you are describing is your the first time with an android app or if it is a new project giving you grief. I can't read debug, but I might be able to help if you describe the circumstances a bit. Whatever it is, I find Eclipse difficult and I sympathise. Alan

FYI, I use Eclipse on a mac, not a pc. In the past, I sometimes found it would refuse to compile an app - usually when an update happens in the background and then I find I need a new release of Eclipse. I then find myself completely re-installing Eclipse from scratch - this sounds a bit extreme but it can do the trick. I then use the AVD manager to find or build an emulator with the latest version of Android and it usually works.

Will have a play around with the emulators and see what happens. What's the best emulator set up ?

My go to emulator setup is based on a Nexus 7, with no keyboard skin, and a couple hundred mb of virtual memory. And running latest API. But an actual device is def easier and quicker to test on. As long as it has battery (which mine rarely does, lol)

Tried that set up and it did seem to be loading but crashed when I clicked the icon So frustrating, I can't work this out!

Suddenly had a thought. Have a look at this http://www.buzztouch.com/forum/thread.php?tid=719E3C8228FA33F415E2833&sortColumn=FT.id&sortUpDown=DESC&currentPage=2

So you cant use image url's in an android build? I only have a couple of icons referenced as url's and only because they would not show up in the iOS version. So do I need to have two versions of my app? An Android version and a iOS version.

What I believe is that I found the more images I referenced as URL's, the more unstable my app became. I don't know if that is your problem,I just thought perhaps it is? Maybe to test the theory you could try a build with all images in the android project build and see if it makes any difference?

Images on Android is finicky at best. They need to be in png format - even if it's on a URL, Android can't always handle JPG images very well. Also, if they get too big or too numerous (and the threshold is very low), your app will crash. Each device handles memory differently, too, making it all the more difficult. Try reducing the size of your images, saving in PNG-8 format, and loading as many on the device as you can.

Damn still baffled! Downloaded and had a go in the Windows environment and same outcome fatal exception!!! Arghhhhh!